#1 Nicholas_Jones. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. #1. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Reviews: 0. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about SCP though and I agree that from what little I do know I don't think any marvel characters have that level of narrative breaking. Beyonder with no sweat. Maybe I have used faulty logic regarding this. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Making a spite. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. He's about cause and effect and. Lucifer is not omnipotent. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. R. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Kingant27. But it wont be easy by no means. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Follow 2882. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. • 1 year ago. #36. Kuuko273. EOS Li QiyVs Pre Retcon Beyonder Both are bloodlusted Both have basic knowledge of each other The battle takes place in a Nuetral location @DivineMaRound 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. . So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. R1: Everyone of the verses is at their peak. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Living tribunal. He wins. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. 9 years ago. bigbran. "No other force or power in existence could. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. As a result, for his experiment, he. 7. This is the biggest mismatch. A. That was an accident. Learn about his origin, power, and feats in this article. 0. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Interesting. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. 14 years ago. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Pre-retcon Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the entire multiverse. The only thing the Beyonder wasn’t able to do was truly understand what it was like to not be the Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Summary. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. . If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. The Soruce(DC) 5. Jul 30, 2018. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the. Bloodlusted. Lucifer is a different beast. #1 quandaledingle. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. 0. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. 5 years ago. FIRST COSMOS. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. 4 years ago. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. well omnipotent. DC_Marvel_1000. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. . However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. Also the Doomslayer has way more fighting and combat feats. (Pre-Retcon)The Beyonder vs The entirety of DC (excluding The Presence and The Writer) Rules: -Both determine to win at any circumstances. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Followers. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. K. Even The. 3. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. But it doesn't end there. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. Forum Posts. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. 2. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Numidium 2. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Bait? 1 year ago. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. The original Beyonder was considered to be the most powerful being in the multiverse, having power surpassing Cosmic Entities, such as the Living Tribunal and Eternity. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. The Beyonder “realizes” something. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. Follow 22700. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. #1 Omega48. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Round 1: All-Mighty vs True Form Oblivion. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. deactivated-5b3daad020468. It's similar to how using the Super Exciting guides for SSJ Multipliers should not take away from Goku's feats in 1990 when his SSJ form alone in the Namek Saga was far above a Galaxy busting Freiza. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. HD wallpapers and background images. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. No, he is likely Presence level. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Franklin Richards(full control of his powers) All the celestials. synnar the. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. If the race, then that is a good battle. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Share Sort by: Best. Forum Posts. so the 1st retcon beyonder. All indications are that. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. cpg357 • 4 yr. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. This topic is locked from further discussion. The events of. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. you speak nonsense earth boy. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Morals off. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. 0. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. May 26, 2023. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. Third, Mxy would be erased of existence by. This is the biggest mismatch. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Anti-Monitor's probably on the scale of pre-retcon Molecule Man, a foe that Beyonder was able to beat. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. panos2000000 • 1 yr. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. No prep. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. 3 years ago. #2. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. 0. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. ago. #13 AgentofChaos1. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. 0. • 3 yr. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Forum Posts. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. First is the. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. #1. Current version of the Beyonder (sentient cosmic cube, NOT the. HeartLesS 25 d . Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid,. #11. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. Share to. Pre retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. Period. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. #. Round 1: CAS vs. He. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. So I might be missing something. He is. Minor nitpick. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Forum Posts. Both sides are in character but determined to win. reality equals his thoughts. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. The Beyonder has been retconned. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Even The. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Pre-retcon The Beyonder was omnipotent in his Beyondverse, outside the Multiverse, and his powers were similar to those of the Living Tribunal who was a Multiverse level entity but the original beyonder was stated to have been the strongest character in the marvel universe in terms of nigh omnipotence and omniscience. Clearly neither is the GEB - but in the sense prior to the retcons he was a character whose will defined reality around him and he was infinitely more powerful than anyone else on. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . loveNwar. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. Ima go with byonder. Follow 1963. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. . Beyonder isnt really known for prep anyways. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. 11 months ago. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. VS. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. 13 years agoWasn't Pre-Retcon Beyonder just a child unit of Beyonder race? He was shown that way in Deadpool's Secret Wars. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. Supermanthor. show 3 replies . Just like the sky seems infinite to us puny humans, the pre retcon beyonder s power seems unlimited to puny marvel multiverse. Sep 20, 2018. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. Fighting place: Dr. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. 5 years ago. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. Beyonder scaled above all. Somebody can ask the following members to give input here though. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. #1 Thanatic. 140. u/nullfather can attest to that. let's wait and see his actual feats. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. . . 2. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself.